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Daesu · Nov 14, 2009, 10:06 AM // 10:06

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

One of the things that amazes me is how many people are saying:

"I completely disagree with how Anet has handled/managed GW1, BUT...I am going to happily support them and buy GW2".

Amazes me really.

That means, despite what was being said, ANet has fulfilled their support obligations well enough that people would continue to buy their games and that is the most important goal of providing us supoort in the first place. Maybe ANet's support level is not as good as they have hoped but good enough for them to buy the next game.

Despite the fact that they dont need to use a lot of staff members to support the current game, they are is still good enough to keep the revenue stream flowing. At least this seems to be the case for most of the posts on this thread.

Abedeus · Nov 14, 2009, 10:52 AM // 10:52

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Originally Posted by Daesu

That means, despite what was being said, ANet has fulfilled their support obligations well enough that people would continue to buy their games and that is the most important goal of providing us supoort in the first place. Maybe ANet's support level is not as good as they have hoped but good enough for them to buy the next game.

Despite the fact that they dont need to use a lot of staff members to support the current game, they are is still good enough to keep the revenue stream flowing. At least this seems to be the case for most of the posts on this thread.

You mean obligations like PvP-centric game with balance and chapters every half a year? Or "Your skill, not time spent playing the game, will make you succeed in the game"? Unless you are calling my Prophecies box a liar.

Fril Estelin · Nov 14, 2009, 12:14 PM // 12:14

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

TAt least, they certainly haven't shown us anything that should convince us they have learned.

They've shown us almost nothing about GW2 apart from lore and general info.

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And its a bit hilarious, because we have a lot of people in this thread who are indicating that they know this, yet they also indicate they will preorder 2 in hopes that things will be different.

Most people say they're not bothered by how GW1 was handled, you're looking at what you think is right but it is not, most people are ok and will buy GW2.

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I mostly have moved on.

Not from Guru apparently.

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Besides, if this forum was full of only people who appreciated things, it would be a very boring forum. This forum needs people like me to be critical or it would be nothing but a carebear forum.

This forum would be unbearable if it was full of so-called "critical" people who only come here to point at problems from the past (yes we should remember these things, but not only these ones). Do you participate in the Nolani forum much?

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There are plenty of no-subscription games. I always find is humorous when the only thing good people can come up with about GW is "it has no monthly fee". As for those regular updates and events, I'm not even convinced many of those were good for the game. But such is life.

Which one compares with GW?

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Tell that to the PvP community.

I'm already doing it.

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Because most of the remaining community only remains because they have a more positive impression! Most people who have a negative impression aren't posting here! Makes logical sense right?

There are the people who are critical but still play, and there are people like you.

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It might be. But this thread asked a question, and I answered it.

And I'm doing here what we're supposed to do, discuss your answers.

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

You mean obligations like PvP-centric game with balance and chapters every half a year? Or "Your skill, not time spent playing the game, will make you succeed in the game"? Unless you are calling my Prophecies box a liar.

I think he's basically saying that your Prophecies box was superseded by your Factions and then NF and then EoTn box.

Abedeus · Nov 14, 2009, 12:43 PM // 12:43

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I think he's basically saying that your Prophecies box was superseded by your Factions and then NF and then EoTn box.

Wow. So it's even worse. Because it turns out that if you bought Prophecies, after 6 months it's a completely different game. And after another half a year, more changes towards PvE.

Saruuh · Nov 14, 2009, 12:46 PM // 12:46

i will buy gw2, even if they add some sort of super ninja style "electricshockstroughthemousethatmakesyouinvolunta rilycrapyourpants"
and no, that isnt a space between the a and the r

as a side note, this should be implemented as something that would happen when you broke 10 lockpicks in a row, instantly adding another level to your unlucky title, or lucky title if you swing that way...

Fril Estelin · Nov 14, 2009, 12:55 PM // 12:55

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Wow. So it's even worse. Because it turns out that if you bought Prophecies, after 6 months it's a completely different game. And after another half a year, more changes towards PvE.

And you knew that. It says somewhere on the box that "online experience may change" IIRC. You can still play Prophecies the way it was as it came out, apart from accumulated balance over the years, except for the PvP part of course. But you know that.

DreamWind · Nov 14, 2009, 01:08 PM // 13:08

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They've shown us almost nothing about GW2 apart from lore and general info.

Unless another company is making GW2, I fail to see how past behavior isn't going to be the best indicator of future behavior.

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Most people say they're not bothered by how GW1 was handled, you're looking at what you think is right but it is not, most people are ok and will buy GW2.

No, most people are saying they had problems with the way GW1 was handled but are instabuying GW2 anyways before they get any information on it after its release.

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Not from Guru apparently.

There are the people who are critical but still play, and there are people like you.

I make a post or so a day. I log on GW once a week or so. Call it active or not I don't really care much.

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This forum would be unbearable if it was full of so-called "critical" people who only come here to point at problems from the past (yes we should remember these things, but not only these ones).

Good thing you don't have many of those. You only have the other type of people.

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Which one compares with GW?

There are plenty of free games that are at least as fun and time consuming as GW. Its just a matter of what you find fun.

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I'm already doing it.

Then you would know they have perfect reason to feel pretty bad about Anet or talk like me.

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And you knew that. It says somewhere on the box that "online experience may change" IIRC. You can still play Prophecies the way it was as it came out, apart from accumulated balance over the years, except for the PvP part of course. But you know that.

Bold quoted for emphasis.

Fril Estelin · Nov 14, 2009, 01:20 PM // 13:20

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Unless another company is making GW2, I fail to see how past behavior isn't going to be the best indicator of future behavior.

GW2 has a much bigger team behing it and as a gaming platform will benefit from the experience Anet has learned. You cannot simply say GW2 will be like GW1. They started the GW2 project to go beyond the limit of the GW1 they created, they're certainly not going to make the same mistakes, players would spot these very quickly. This is business common sense.

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No, most people are saying they had problems with the way GW1 was handled but are instabuying GW2 anyways before they get any information on it after its release.

I don't think this is true at all.

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I make a post or so a day. I log on GW once a week or so. Call it active or not I don't really care much.

I don't really care what you do, I can see you here discussing GW1 and GW2. This is not "moving on".

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Good thing you don't have many of those. You only have the other type of people.

Actually, overall Guru is very balanced, since it's not only Riverside, but also Nolani, Campfire, Gladiator.

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There are plenty of free games that are at least as fun and time consuming as GW. Its just a matter of what you find fun.

I know about most F2P and I haven't tried any because what I read about them (and I do read a lot) clearly doesn't appeal to me to the level GW1 does. In my mind, no F2P has the balance of story, graphics, gameplay and PvE+PvP that GW1 has. Of course people could enjoy other F2P (I actually started MMOs with Silkroad Online and moving to GW seemed like a natural upgrade). GW1 is still fun, as you can read a bit everywhere on Guru.

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Then you would know they have perfect reason to feel pretty bad about Anet or talk like me.

Which is not to say that everyone is like you. As JR explained, many PvPers will try GW2 with the hope that it is what they expected GW1 to be, or even better.

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I never said the contrary, and I've said it many times on Guru. But see comment above.

EDIT: a comment read on a friend's blog about Dragon Age:Origins explained that GW's AI was so much better than DA:O's. Although very different games, what this showed me is that you tend to forget how spoiled you are in GW1 until you compare it to other games (which is not to say that GW1 is perfect!)

DreamWind · Nov 14, 2009, 01:45 PM // 13:45

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

They started the GW2 project to go beyond the limit of the GW1 they created, they're certainly not going to make the same mistakes, players would spot these very quickly. This is business common sense.

Going beyond the limit is what scares me away from the game. It sounds as if they are simply going to continue the progression they started in GW1 but on a much wider scale than is possible with 1.

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I don't really care what you do, I can see you here discussing GW1 and GW2. This is not "moving on".

If I'm not buying GW2, I have moved on as far as Anet is concerned.

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Which is not to say that everyone is like you. As JR explained, many PvPers will try GW2 with the hope that it is what they expected GW1 to be, or even better.

And I'm pretty surprised JR said that given what he knows about Anet. I simply do not see GW2 being what PvPers expected from 1. We know what Anet believes is right nowadays. But as I said...I will wait to see what people whos opinions I respect give me feedback on how the game is. I MAY buy it given great reviews, but as it stands now I find it very unlikely. I am certainly not somebody who complains about how GW1 was run and is preordering 2.

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I never said the contrary, and I've said it many times on Guru.

So you should know why I am so critical.

Fril Estelin · Nov 14, 2009, 01:59 PM // 13:59

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So you should know why I am so critical.

Just so we end this (well maybe): you're beyond criticism, you're not yet bashing Anet, but it's not very far. All you do here is explain how you no longer really play the game, yet have so much insight about what is wrong. You remember the wrongs, but not the rights.

I simply cannot, on any level, share your views, because I'm still enjoying GW1 when I can find the time to play it. There are still PvPers playing, albeit clearly not the people whose opinion you respect, and many PvPers ready to give GW2 a chance.

DreamWind · Nov 14, 2009, 02:16 PM // 14:16

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All you do here is explain how you no longer really play the game, yet have so much insight about what is wrong. You remember the wrongs, but not the rights.

Of course I remember the rights. They happened before the wrongs came.

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I simply cannot, on any level, share your views, because I'm still enjoying GW1 when I can find the time to play it. There are still PvPers playing, albeit clearly not the people who's opinion you respect, and many PvPers ready to give GW2 a chance.

Then perhaps it all comes down to one's experiences. I personally have had my entire guild and friendlist quit the game over the things I am describing. I have logged onto the game time and time again to see empty district after semi-empty district (I still play once in a while for reference). If you are still having fun then great. But I think my opinions on whether or not to buy GW2 are justified.

exploiter · Nov 14, 2009, 03:42 PM // 15:42

Anet's been using GW2 as excuse for why they dont have time to work at GW1. With that, if GW2 is not gonna be perfect in every aspect, im not gonna buy it

HawkofStorms · Nov 14, 2009, 04:01 PM // 16:01

I invoke the Dreamwind-Fril Law. Any thread that transforms into a quote war between those two has been completely derailed and should be closd.